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What about this procedure

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  • How have you done since your procedure? I am looking into it also.
  • How are you doing since your procedure? I am checking into this also. Back issues going on one year. Have tried all the conservative treatments with no improvement. Thanks for input
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  • Well, now that they advertise here, at least via Google, we should be able to discuss the procedure freely.
    But I'll play it safe and avoid any references to the providers.
    Look, the only thing that really matters is whether this procedure produces better outcomes than traditional fusion surgeries or discectomies, which have a dismal record.
    I have asked the provider for any information about randomized controlled trials focusing on outcomes. We need this information now. Because if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. (We, the users of spine-health.com, really need to know about anything that could actually help us with our pain.)
    I hope that this is not another "minimally invasive" procedure that is maximally expensive and minimally effective.
    I've also asked them to provide disclosure on their financial interests in the center and in any makers of devices they use.
    I would like to hear from buckeyeback about his experience. Are you feeling better??
    Thanks,
    P
  • watchyurback said:

    Look, the only thing that really matters is whether this procedure produces better outcomes than traditional fusion surgeries or discectomies, which have a dismal record.
    I'm all for newer/better procedures and we should all be doing research on it.

    However your statement that "fusion and discectomy has a dismal record". I'm not sure I buy that. I'd like to see real statistics on that. Most on here have bad records because sites like this attract failed surgeries. It gives people an outlet to complain about "modern medicine"...

    Now that aside. I do agree that in general a fusion, of any type, with hardware. It's pretty crude when you think about it. Basically make some glue/paste out of bone material. Then stick if between the bones. Then take nuts and bolts and rods and screw it all together to hold the spine. Waiting for the "glue to dry", fusion.

    Graham
  • Z06 said:

    I'm all for newer/better procedures and we should all be doing research on it.

    However your statement that "fusion and discectomy has a dismal record". I'm not sure I buy that. I'd like to see real statistics on that. Most on here have bad records because sites like this attract failed surgeries. It gives people an outlet to complain about "modern medicine"...

    Graham
    Howdy Graham,

    Have to disagree a tiny bit here my friend. *HUG* I don't think it is so much "sites like this..." it might be more that those of us that need support of others in similar situations come here, sure, but many who "get better" no longer need this site or other support sites. So we don't know how many turned out well...right? There are a few that stay on the sites (as positive success role models) too. I do that on a Ulnar site I am on. I had the surgery, and feel it was a success, so I still monitor and post so others going through transpositions know that there is a chance of success. :-) See, I disagreed, but agreed sort of? Be good, stay safe my friend!!!

    Brenda
    PCTF C4 - T2, Laminectomies C5, C6 & C7. Severe Palsy left arm/hand.
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  • It looks very interesting.
    My surgeon in UK teaches other surgeons the technique for AxiaLIF on L5/S1 level fusions.
    This looks to use the same technique, but going higher and removing obstructing disc and scar tissue.

    I'm not sure that it would be suitable for me because of my misaligned spine, but it is great to hear that they are developing new techniques.

  • Thanks to those who commented on my remark about the "dismal record" of fusion surgery and dicectomy. I say so only because there really is no evidence that fusion surgery is any better than non-invasive treatment. I've scoured the scientific literature and there is nothing to support the notion that fusion surgery is better in the long run than physical therapy or even a back-care education course (both have been control groups in research studies). There is some short-term benefit from discectomy for patients with sciatica. However, in many cases the benefit is short-lived as the disc tends to reherniate.
    I actually don't think this site attracts primarily those who are unhappy with their outcomes. There's no reason to think the "success stories" wouldn't stop by to tell of their new pain-free (or pain-relieved) lives. In almost two years of researching the issue, I have not found anyone who can claim long-term (i.e. around two years) success from fusion surgery. There may be an initial phase of relief just from surviving the ordeal of surgery.
    In many cases, pain shifts from one part of the spine to another in fusion cases because the load is taken up by adjacent segments. Then the question becomes whether to have more surgery and on and on, until the entire lumbar spine is fused.
    Well, don't take it from me. Look at the research that's out there.
    If you have benefited from fusion surgery, I'd love to hear your story. Please post it here.
    Thanks,
    P
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